I had a great time being interviewed by my good friend Mitch Schultz on the Before You Quit podcast. Mitch also interviewed Steve Kerhoulas, who has been a pastor for over 40 years. You can find the episode here.

Our topic was “what keeps pastors from quitting?” Last year, a study by the Barna Group found that 38 percent of Protestant pastors gave serious consideration to quitting the ministry. That was a big part of the impetus behind our conversation, but it also stemmed from a blog I wrote on pastoral longevity. Hope you find the time to listen to the podcast and are encouraged by it.